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the following tape contains a

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description of an encounter with the ufo

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as experienced by three women in

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kentucky on january 6 1976.

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the three women were mona stafford age

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35 louise smith 44 and elaine thomas 54.

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the three women's getting together that

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day was completely unplanned

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it was during this get-together they

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discovered it was mona's birthday so

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they decided about 9 15 to go for a late

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supper at the redwood restaurant

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they got there about 10 pm

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all three ladies brought their sketch

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pads with them because they wanted to

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sketch a painting that was hanging on

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the wall

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a customer asked louise to sketch him

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and she did

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then louise noticed it was 11 15 and she

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had to go to work early the next morning

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so they paid their checks and left

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the three women left the restaurant in

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louise smith's 1967 chevy nova

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they began their 40-minute drive to

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liberty about 29 to 30 miles away

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the ladies drove through the countryside

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heading from stanford to houstonville

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they had turned from highway 27 and were

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traveling on highway 78

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they had just passed the davis drive-in

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theater and were continuing along the

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country road when mona yelled speed up

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look look it's going to crash

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mona and luis thought the ball of fire

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was a jet airliner about to crash

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they wanted to help if there were any

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survivors

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when they looked up it kept getting

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larger and larger and larger

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it came down at such a speed that

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nothing could have stopped

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nothing but it did

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then it just swayed like something real

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lightweight it seemed to just float in

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the air

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after swaying in one spot it turned at

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an angle from the driver's left front to

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left side

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and behind car

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this is the women's description of the

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ufo as i saw it on the night of january

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6 and as i remembered it before their

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hypnosis session

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elaine was the last of the women to see

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the object and don't forget that elaine

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throughout the entire experience seemed

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to have a different perception

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as did the other women of everything

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that happened

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this is the object as mana saw it

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she described it as big as a house

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saucer shaped with the dome on top

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red lights rotating around it four

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lights under the red lights one of the

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four was yellow dem

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maybe a window an extremely bright

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bluish white light on the top

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the object is described by louise

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it was huge

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it covered the road and was in the

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fields on both sides

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it was a metallic gray and had a kind of

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a dull glow

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it had a dome with a white light effect

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to it

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it had red lights going all the way

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around completely going around it and

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red lights

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this is the object of seeing by elaine

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this huge dome-shaped object it was

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beautiful i can't describe it

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there was this one huge light in the

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center on the bottom and it seemed like

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it was focusing a beam on us

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then i saw just like a searchlight or

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something

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it was a white blue fluorescent light

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it seemed like it was coming from

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underneath

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at the time elaine tried to get out of

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the car and moana pulled her over and

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shut the door

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then moana got hold of the steering

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wheel and tried to help louise

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louise at the time was having trouble

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controlling the car

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the light from the object flooded the

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car causing their eyes to burn in their

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heads to hurt

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the car felt like it was being pulled

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louise tried to go forward but the car

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was going backwards

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the car was out of control louise hired

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for mona to help

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mona looked and saw that the speedometer

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was registering 85 miles an hour and she

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told louise to slow down

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louise showed her that her foot was not

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on the gas pedal

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these are some of the women's feelings

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mona and louise felt terrified while

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elaine felt at peace

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when the object was behind the car

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louise saw a blue light in the rearview

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mirror

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the car

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mona and louise thought that it was a

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state trooper that had pulled behind

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them but then they realized it was the

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the very last thing that the women

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remembered after the light came into the

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was that the red light had come on on

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the dashboard

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then just like the snap of a finger they

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were back in houstonville

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mona said it was like something had

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picked us up in stanford and set us down

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in houstonville

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louise was not holding onto the steering

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the women were holding their heads a

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short time later the women arrived at

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the trailer of louise smith

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they all wondered how they had gotten

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there so quickly

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they all felt a burning sensation on

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their necks

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they had headaches and mona said her

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eyes hurt

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once inside the trailer the women

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discovered several strange things

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the clock in the kitchen should have

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showed 12

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but instead it was 125

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they had arrived about an hour and 25

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elaine's wristwatch stopped working

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louise said the minute hand on her watch

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was going almost as fast as the second

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hand and the second hand was just

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spinning

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all three of the women had burns on

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louise and elaine on the back of their

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and they said mona's eyes were as red as

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an albino rabbit louise noticed the

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light on at her neighbors and asked mr

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lowell lee to come over to her house

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the women told him what they had seen he

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saw the marks on their necks and the

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women's drawing of the object

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he remembers it was after 1am because he

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was watching late night tv

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the next day the women discovered the

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paint on the car was blistered and

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peeling they went back where they had

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bought their gas the night before and

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meaning that they could not have been

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driving during that hour and 25 minutes

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following the night of january 6 all the

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women experienced the same reactions

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extreme fatigue

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nausea and diarrhea

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all chain smoked all three women felt

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thirsty constantly

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all lost weight and their skin burned

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when they shared

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the three women noticed personality

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a man who worked with jerry at

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continental can company had relatives

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who lived in casey county

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and they had given him a newspaper this

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man brought the newspaper into jerry and

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after reading the article about the

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women jerry called louise smith to see

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if he could put their minds at ease and

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find out what might have happened during

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at first louise was leery of having

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jerry and two other strange gentlemen

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meet with her and the other two ladies

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at that time jerry called and asked if i

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would agree to talk with louise

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that a woman would be there along with

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the gentleman

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she agreed that we could come down and

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on the very first trip down when we

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stepped into the louise's trailer i felt

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later i learned the women had all three

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felt the same

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under hypnosis louise remembered seeing

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a woman with long dark hair she felt it

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was me

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later she told me she knew that it was

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me that even though my experience it

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happened in 1973 and hers happened in

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1976

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she was sure that she had seen me aboard

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at the same time as herself

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during our first meeting we questioned

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the women about their sighting we took

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notes we checked blistered pain on the

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car

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we drove to the restaurant into the

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general area where the women first saw

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the object

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we took pictures of the women trawler

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car

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restaurant and the area the women had

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our next meeting took place in march

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at the home of mona stafford's parents

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the three ladies mona's parents the

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investigators and dr leo sprinkle

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dr sprinkle is the associate professor

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of psychology at the university of

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wyoming he was there to put mona in a

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light hypnotic trance to see if their

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incident weren't

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mana said

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we was just driving along and i thought

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this airplane was going to crash

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i told lou to speed up so we could help

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if somebody was alive it just stopped

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it just sit there a minute and started

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it was big

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they were rotating and it moved so

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moana began crying

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lou thought a state trooper was behind

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mana was still crying

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all of a sudden the car was pulled

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lou couldn't take care of the car

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i tried to help her

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elaine was trying to get out

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this light all come in the car

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lou had her foot off the gas the car was

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all this light

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on the weekend of july 23rd through 25th

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1976

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the investigators again met with the

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women

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this time the meeting took place at the

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brown motel in liberty

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we were joined by mr james young

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a detective for the lexington police

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department

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and president of the kentucky polygraph

290
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association

291
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he was there to administer polygraph

292
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tests to the women

293
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bob pratt

294
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top ufo investigator reporter for the

295
00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:48,800
national empire was there

296
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also dr leo sprinkle joined us to apply

297
00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:53,839
two sessions of hypnosis to each of the

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women

299
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one taking their poliograph test

300
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the hypnosis began with louise smith

301
00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:06,800
we ate supper

302
00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:08,800
we sketched a picture

303
00:11:12,949 --> 00:11:10,480
and it was there

304
00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:12,959
louise begins to sob

305
00:11:16,790 --> 00:11:15,600
what is it it looks like it's going to

306
00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,800
crash

307
00:11:21,030 --> 00:11:18,959
god what is it

308
00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:21,040
it's going behind me

309
00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:22,959
louise was sobbing

310
00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:25,680
i don't want to look at it no more it's

311
00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:29,440
so bright my eyes hurt mrs thomas wants

312
00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:31,760
me to stop but i can't

313
00:11:37,269 --> 00:11:33,600
she wants to look at it

314
00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:37,279
my head hurts i can't control my car

315
00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:39,519
i can't control my wheel

316
00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:43,440
i ask mona to help me i'm going 85 miles

317
00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:46,240
per hour mona i don't want to go through

318
00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:47,839
that gate

319
00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:50,240
what's wrong with my car

320
00:11:55,030 --> 00:11:52,000
it's going backwards

321
00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:55,040
oh god don't let me hit that wall where

322
00:11:58,710 --> 00:11:56,399
am i

323
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louise was sobbing

324
00:12:02,949 --> 00:12:01,680
where am i please somebody help me

325
00:12:05,750 --> 00:12:02,959
please

326
00:12:07,269 --> 00:12:05,760
oh my head where am i

327
00:12:11,750 --> 00:12:07,279
i can't see

328
00:12:13,430 --> 00:12:11,760
it's so dark it's hot i'm burning

329
00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:13,440
where am i

330
00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:16,639
help me lord please where's mona where's

331
00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:20,000
mona please let me see i've got to stay

332
00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:20,959
awake

333
00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:21,920
can't

334
00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:28,320
where is he laying i'm so sleepy i'm so

335
00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:31,200
sleepy i've got to stay awake please

336
00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:34,560
somebody say something my head hurts

337
00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:36,560
i've got to go home

338
00:12:43,910 --> 00:12:41,200
i'm so dry so dry my mouth's so dry

339
00:12:46,949 --> 00:12:43,920
i just want to sleep

340
00:12:49,030 --> 00:12:46,959
the weed sleeps for a few minutes

341
00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:49,040
i think i see some lights

342
00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:51,519
it looks like a street light it is a

343
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street light thank god for a street

344
00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:54,800
light

345
00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:56,800
it was just a dream we're in

346
00:13:02,230 --> 00:12:58,800
houstonville already

347
00:13:04,550 --> 00:13:02,240
how did that happen how did we get here

348
00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:04,560
dr sprinkle tells her to go back in

349
00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:07,600
memory louise begins to cry again

350
00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:10,079
i don't want to go through that gate i

351
00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,519
can't see the gate it must be open

352
00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:15,600
the following is

353
00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:18,880
mona under hypnosis

354
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this was their first session of

355
00:13:26,790 --> 00:13:24,480
regular hypnosis during that month of

356
00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:26,800
july

357
00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:27,760
nona

358
00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:30,800
we was just driving along i thought this

359
00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:33,120
airplane was going to crash

360
00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:34,399
it was big

361
00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:36,240
it went behind us

362
00:13:41,269 --> 00:13:39,600
it cut out its lights i was scared

363
00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:41,279
mona was crying

364
00:13:46,949 --> 00:13:42,800
shaney

365
00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:46,959
cheney's a name that nickname that they

366
00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:52,790
shaney wondered out

367
00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:55,360
this light all come in the car

368
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car was registering 85

369
00:14:03,189 --> 00:14:01,680
lou had her foot off the gas pedal

370
00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:03,199
my head hurt

371
00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:06,160
my eyes hurt so bad

372
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:07,839
i see an eye

373
00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,240
it's kind of like a crystal

374
00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:12,560
just kind of burst you know

375
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:15,040
just comes back and forth to me

376
00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:18,000
i still see that eye it's like lights or

377
00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:24,710
my hand feels like it's tied down or

378
00:14:28,389 --> 00:14:25,760
something

379
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:28,399
it's hurting it's numb

380
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:31,839
moana's crying softly it's dark and that

381
00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:35,839
eyes with me just like i'm in the dark

382
00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:37,839
i feel all by myself

383
00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:39,680
i just feel numb

384
00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:42,000
just can't breathe good

385
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:43,680
there's not air

386
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:46,959
feels like something's up around me

387
00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:48,880
the air feels better

388
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:51,279
touch something ahead

389
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:52,800
smooth

390
00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:55,680
i just feel like something's all around

391
00:15:03,750 --> 00:14:56,480
me

392
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:07,590
the following is elaine under hypnosis

393
00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:09,839
elaine appeared disturbed

394
00:15:13,430 --> 00:15:11,440
it's all dark

395
00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:13,440
she was breathing deeply

396
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:15,839
something won't let me talk so

397
00:15:21,189 --> 00:15:18,720
frightened it's just darkness

398
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:21,199
there's a weight on my chest

399
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:22,560
the pain

400
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:28,399
i'm lying down i'm all alone elaine sobs

401
00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:31,199
something was pressing on my throat

402
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:32,720
like hands

403
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:34,639
it's just darkness

404
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:37,120
there's something wrong with my throat

405
00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:39,120
there's a road

406
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:41,680
it's just all black and white

407
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,000
like a picture of a road

408
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:46,959
it looks so foggy i can't see

409
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,399
can't see it's so foggy

410
00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:52,480
feel all alone

411
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:54,399
i just can't think

412
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,920
something is in my way just blackness i

413
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:00,160
can't move my feet

414
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,519
my god good lord

415
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:05,759
elaine has dry sobs

416
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,800
why

417
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:09,440
so foggy like the cloud

418
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,920
like in the picture i just see the

419
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:13,120
shadows

420
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,120
as they pass by

421
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:17,040
just around me

422
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:19,040
they won't let me see

423
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:20,160
a light

424
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:23,120
it was coming up over me i'm afraid to

425
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:24,000
look

426
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:25,440
warm

427
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,360
i couldn't see the eyes it was a blur

428
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,839
somebody's close to me i'm afraid

429
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:34,320
they'll hear me because they choked me

430
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:38,399
they won't let me talk feeling so tired

431
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,440
at that time the investigators asked

432
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:43,920
elaine did she mean that she felt like

433
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:46,399
she was being choked at the time of her

434
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,079
incident and that they didn't want her

435
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:50,720
to talk during that time

436
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,600
or was she referring to right then

437
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:56,160
and she told us that right then right

438
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,639
then that they didn't want her

439
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,480
during the hypnosis session they didn't

440
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:02,240
want her to say anymore that she had

441
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:04,959
said too much

442
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:07,360
this is louise's second session of

443
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:12,949
um

444
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:14,959
incidentally these are only

445
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,559
very short pieces from the transcripts

446
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,120
from the hypnosis the hypnosis the tapes

447
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:22,959
that we have at home

448
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:25,280
for all sessions lasted roughly eight

449
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,319
hours there's a lot of blankness

450
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,799
on the tapes but um these are just a few

451
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:32,559
of the highlights from each of the

452
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:34,480
sessions

453
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,799
louise's second session

454
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:38,960
don't want to go through that gate

455
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:40,000
shaney

456
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:41,440
where's mona

457
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,559
somebody please talk to me please

458
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,559
louise was begging

459
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:48,880
i wish you wouldn't do that i'm so

460
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:49,919
scared

461
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,240
i don't want to go to sleep i've got to

462
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:54,960
stay awake feel so dry

463
00:18:01,990 --> 00:17:58,400
please get it off get it off it's hot

464
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,000
just let me go i can't swallow

465
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:05,200
louise was sobbing heavily

466
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:08,240
let me go home please don't touch me let

467
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:11,840
go of my arm my mouth's so dry louise

468
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,600
was swallowing hard

469
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:14,799
so hot

470
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,600
hot all over

471
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,360
i want to go home

472
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:21,280
i can't do no more

473
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:24,400
louise was sobbing i'm so weak

474
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:27,520
i want to see you let me see you

475
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,559
please

476
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:30,240
just let me see you

477
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,280
let me look at your eyes i can't

478
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:35,039
i can't hurt you

479
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:36,400
so weak

480
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:38,640
i can't get up

481
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,280
i'm so dry so weak

482
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:42,640
let me up

483
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:46,080
i won't tell i won't tell nothing i just

484
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:47,520
want to see

485
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,320
i can go home after a while

486
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:53,039
i want to see i'm so weak

487
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:56,880
can't fight it no more so hot so dry

488
00:19:03,350 --> 00:18:59,840
can i go home now i want to find mona

489
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:03,360
and shaney i want to go home

490
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:07,120
so fast i'm going so fast am i going

491
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:09,440
home i see a light

492
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:12,880
it is a street light it's so hot kind of

493
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:16,000
odd like mold i can't i promised i

494
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,120
wouldn't tell

495
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,919
i can't tell just let me go home

496
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,760
they had my arm

497
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,440
i don't want to tell

498
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,600
they weren't mean they just wouldn't let

499
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,120
me go home

500
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:29,360
sprinkle you'll be able to remember the

501
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,600
events if there is any

502
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,520
other information you'll be able to

503
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,600
remember

504
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:37,919
this is some of the things louise had to

505
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:40,480
say after hypnosis

506
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:42,160
i asked to see

507
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:44,240
and when they did i didn't want to see

508
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:45,520
it no more

509
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,760
i saw a form closed my eyes i was scared

510
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,200
all alone

511
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:53,679
didn't know what was going on

512
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,640
it seemed i wanted to go home so bad and

513
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:58,960
they told me i couldn't then i was

514
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,840
sleepy again i remember saying i won't

515
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:04,080
tell if you let me go

516
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:10,870
this is not a second session

517
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:13,600
she had tears in her eyes as she said

518
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,200
it's like fire on me it's all over me

519
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,720
i can't see

520
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,559
moana was sobbing

521
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:22,880
i can see sky up there

522
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,039
i'm looking up through rocks

523
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:27,919
hard to breathe

524
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,200
oh my eyes oh

525
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:33,600
like they've been pulled out

526
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,799
the eye purple my head hurts

527
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,880
can't see it's dark

528
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,880
there's a crack in the wall

529
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:42,880
it's like a web

530
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:45,679
oh something's all over me

531
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,480
oh he's coming at me all over me

532
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:51,760
water

533
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:55,760
but it's not wet

534
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:01,679
my hand something's on it

535
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:04,960
that's got me down the light oh my foot

536
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,909
my feet

537
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:13,600
wrist

538
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,039
my feet are bent backwards i'm going

539
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,039
fast oh

540
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,840
feet stuck on floor it's hot my neck

541
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,000
take it off hurts

542
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,080
can't move my neck

543
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,760
there back

544
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:30,000
loop

545
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:33,440
this was elaine's second session

546
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,880
it's all dark just emptiness dark and

547
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:38,960
peaceful

548
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:41,919
they were so frightened i wasn't car

549
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,120
took off like a jet it just swooped off

550
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,440
then it was rough so rough

551
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,919
it seemed to be vibrating somehow then

552
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:51,120
blank

553
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,080
it just all blotted out just darkness

554
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,840
for a long while elaine could see only

555
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:59,280
darkness lou said they're going to take

556
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,559
us aboard

557
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,039
i began to pray

558
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,280
the car started vibrating

559
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,799
lou asked mona to help me

560
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,120
i can't hold it the red light on the

561
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,280
dash the car is gone

562
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,880
so dark

563
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,360
there was so much pressure on my chest i

564
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,720
couldn't talk

565
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:21,760
like a weight above my left breast

566
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:25,039
a round metal bullet-shaped object only

567
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,799
larger so much pressure it hurt it was

568
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,200
as though they wanted me to hush

569
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,520
i kept struggling they won't let me

570
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:37,120
breathe pressure on my throat tightness

571
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,480
they talked

572
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,120
but no sound there were so many they

573
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,039
kept passing the window

574
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,799
window was foggy

575
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,120
they looked about four feet tall

576
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,200
couldn't raise my hands

577
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,240
i wanted to get away feeling no need to

578
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,280
talk

579
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:54,720
just no need

580
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,159
terrible fear because i don't understand

581
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,840
they didn't care

582
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:02,480
i will understand someday but i don't

583
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,360
know

584
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,679
that was a small part of each of the

585
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,400
ladies two hypnosis sessions

586
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,240
i will try to

587
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,240
remember some of the other

588
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,320
things that i felt were unusual about

589
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,960
the ladies experience at the time

590
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,360
and afterwards

591
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,240
mona told us that she felt like her eyes

592
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,240
had been taken out of the socket placed

593
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,880
on her cheek and then

594
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,480
replaced

595
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,640
the ladies felt as if something had been

596
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,880
poured over their bodies they thought

597
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,400
like a mold

598
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,320
and then removed one of them said that

599
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,919
when it was removed it felt like a

600
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,640
band-aid coming off

601
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,360
after the incident

602
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960
we were told that there were several

603
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,880
bibles that were missing i believe it

604
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,440
was seven of them i'm not sure if it was

605
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,000
all three ladies i know it was

606
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,760
one in particular but i thought all

607
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,000
three women had bibles missing from

608
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,760
their homes

609
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,520
um

610
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,159
after hypnosis when they discovered

611
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,400
where the actual abduction had taken

612
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,520
place

613
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:07,600
the ladies were terrified to go near

614
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,200
there and yet on one night louise had a

615
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,039
strange

616
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,240
compulsion to go back to the place when

617
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,799
she first was there she had rings on her

618
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:20,400
fingers

619
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:21,279
and

620
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,799
missing

621
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,720
a couple of days later i don't believe

622
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,080
it was the next day i think it was a few

623
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,360
days later she returned home from work

624
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,520
and she told me that right in the center

625
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,919
of her trailer steps it looked as if

626
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,000
somebody had deliberately just placed

627
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,679
them very carefully in the center of the

628
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,159
steps barely her rings

629
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,799
this frightened louise so badly that she

630
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,760
threw

631
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,840
her rings into a creek that ran behind

632
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,360
her trailer

633
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,520
after the incident all the ladies

634
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,520
personalities changed

635
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:54,960
for instance

636
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:57,760
elaine began dressing more colorfully

637
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,360
and she developed a psychic ability

638
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,159
on one occasion after the incident

639
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,919
we were going back down to meet with the

640
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,080
women and a friend of mine who had heard

641
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,919
about the case asked if she could go

642
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,000
along because she was really interested

643
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,600
to meet the women

644
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:16,000
we went down to louise's trailer

645
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,760
there was mona louise elaine

646
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,480
my friend jerry and myself

647
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,159
we were talking with the women for a

648
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,039
while and then after a while

649
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,720
elaine began telling me some things

650
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,640
about my horse and she was pretty

651
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,240
accurate about him

652
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,000
then she looked at my friend and told

653
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,200
her something personal about herself

654
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,760
my friend said no it isn't true

655
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,159
and elaine looked straight at her and

656
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,159
said yes it is

657
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,159
and my friend said no it isn't and

658
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,200
elaine said yes it yes it is

659
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,080
elaine never did back down the most that

660
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:54,640
she did was say that

661
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,559
well if it isn't now it will be shortly

662
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,840
i didn't know

663
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:01,760
until a while later i hadn't seen my

664
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:04,159
friend for a long time and another

665
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,440
mutual friend

666
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,760
i was talking with her on the telephone

667
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,080
and she asked me something about my

668
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:12,720
friend and it turned out to be the exact

669
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:13,760
thing

670
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,120
that elaine had said at louise's home

671
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:19,200
about my friend that she had been

672
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,400
denying

673
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,880
and here it was true

674
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,760
another incident i recall

675
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,960
is

676
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:28,640
elaine telling us

677
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,240
of a substance that fell out of the sky

678
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,720
she described it as a like a golden

679
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,200
angel hair and that it had fallen out of

680
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,400
the sky and covered her i believe that

681
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,440
the other two ladies witnessed this

682
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,279
and that it also

683
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,720
fell on them

684
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,720
i think that this possibly happened on

685
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,480
more than one occasion i can just

686
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,840
remember seeing

687
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,000
elena she was telling us about it she

688
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,799
seemed like a little child she was very

689
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,720
delighted

690
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,400
that she was telling us about this

691
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,520
golden angel hair that had fallen on her

692
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,000
another incident that i recall and i

693
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,000
think is very important

694
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:11,039
is one where mona was home alone in her

695
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:12,320
trailer

696
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,200
her parents home

697
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,640
they lived very close by i believe it

698
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:22,559
was late at night

699
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,840
a man materialized right in mona's

700
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,880
trailer

701
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,559
she described him

702
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,559
as looking like someone from out of the

703
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,679
bible

704
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,320
she said he was wearing a long robe and

705
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,480
that he had long shoulder length red

706
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,520
hair

707
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,880
and a beard

708
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,520
both the beard and the hair had finger

709
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,200
curls

710
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,480
mona was very frightened by this

711
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,559
and she said that she felt like she

712
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,360
needed to make contact with her parents

713
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,679
she felt if she didn't make contact that

714
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,120
she was either

715
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,120
going to be abducted or something was

716
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:58,720
going to happen to her

717
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,320
i don't recall exactly why she had

718
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,640
difficulty

719
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,399
in being able to reach her parents i

720
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,399
don't know if she meant

721
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:11,200
that she couldn't get to the telephone

722
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,240
or if

723
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,000
she wasn't getting a dial tone or

724
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,520
something but in the beginning she was

725
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,080
having trouble

726
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,520
making contact eventually she managed

727
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:24,480
to call her parents on the phone and as

728
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,590
i believe it was the next day mona made

729
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:33,520
a sketch of the man

730
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,600
she ran us a copy and mailed it to us

731
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,279
in the meantime

732
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,840
each time that jerry and i went down to

733
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,679
kentucky to check with the women and see

734
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,320
if they had any further memory or if

735
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:50,240
they had drawn any other

736
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,630
each time that we had gone there we took

737
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,360
our camera and we took pictures

738
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:01,200
of what was happening

739
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,080
we

740
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,480
took a tape recorder and and taped the

741
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,720
sessions and took notes

742
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,080
most of the time we went to louise's

743
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,679
trailer on this particular time

744
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,919
for some reason i'm trying to remember

745
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,480
if elaine had already passed away but

746
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:20,960
elaine was not there and i believe

747
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,600
louise was out of state

748
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,159
at that time we went to

749
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,679
mona's trailer

750
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:29,440
and we brought with us pictures that we

751
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:36,870
i did not know that besides the sketch

752
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,279
moana had all so um made a painting on

753
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,000
black velvet of the gentleman

754
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:47,279
who had materialized in her home

755
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,480
mona was

756
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,640
aware that we had pictures but i didn't

757
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,520
tell her that at the trip before jerry

758
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,760
and i had stopped at the abduction site

759
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,640
on the way home we had some pictures

760
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,440
left on the roll of film

761
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:04,080
so we each took a few pictures of each

762
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,960
other

763
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,960
standing in front of the wall at the

764
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,070
when we got home to my house

765
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,840
there was still one or two pictures on

766
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,919
the roll so we

767
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:18,000
snapped a couple pictures that were left

768
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,840
because we were anxious to get the film

769
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,240
developed when the film was developed

770
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,720
and we got it back we discovered

771
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,799
that the rest of the role of film the

772
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,039
pictures taken earlier that day were all

773
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:33,679
clear only the pictures taken at the

774
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,279
abduction site had little round globes

775
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,960
or balls of light

776
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,320
on the pictures

777
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:42,240
there's one picture in particular of

778
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,279
myself

779
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,799
where there's

780
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:46,320
several of these

781
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,320
round balls or globes surrounding me and

782
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,399
one of jerry's pictures there's a very

783
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,240
in the corner of the picture is a very

784
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,679
predominant

785
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,799
round

786
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,080
globe

787
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:00,799
we took the pictures to the

788
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,559
lab that does the work um for the

789
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,799
drugstore in our area

790
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,120
and we asked the gentleman if we left

791
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,960
the negatives

792
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:13,360
and the pictures

793
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,480
if he could get back with us and tell us

794
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:18,080
what he thought was wrong with the

795
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,279
pictures

796
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,519
a few days later we got a call to meet

797
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:22,559
with him

798
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,240
and when we got there he told us that

799
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,840
it appeared that there was nothing wrong

800
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:30,080
with my camera there was nothing wrong

801
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,760
with the roll of film it wasn't caused

802
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,200
by the development of the film

803
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,000
it wasn't condensation

804
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:42,480
they didn't really know

805
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,440
what

806
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,840
caused the globes the closest thing that

807
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,679
they could imagine was

808
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,760
possibly

809
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:51,039
that

810
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,799
camera had somehow picked up

811
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,399
this had never happened

812
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,320
to any of my pictures that i've ever

813
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,960
taken before in the past

814
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,720
and it never happened again until

815
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,799
several years later there was an

816
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,880
incident with another camera and then

817
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,039
several years after that

818
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,440
there was another incident taken with

819
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,440
still another camera and if you're

820
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,880
interested i'll tell you about that

821
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,640
later

822
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,919
anyway

823
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,559
when we took the pictures down to show

824
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,760
mona

825
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,279
jerry and i were both in for a shock

826
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,039
as we were sitting on the couch at

827
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,480
mona's house

828
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,880
roughly three or four feet in front of

829
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,240
us was

830
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,000
the oral painting of the man who

831
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,760
materialized hanging on her love

832
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,039
and

833
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:44,720
unlike the sketch

834
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:48,000
the painting had these little round

835
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,840
bows of light or just little round white

836
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,080
circles

837
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,360
on the painting i didn't even realize

838
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,000
until sometime later

839
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,399
when someone was looking i took a

840
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,679
picture

841
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,640
of the swirl painting and

842
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,960
somebody happened to notice

843
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,600
that if you look at the picture

844
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,559
of me at the abduction site where the

845
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,039
the balls are surrounding me

846
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,200
that they form if you turn the picture

847
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:21,519
around they form almost the exact

848
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,440
pattern as mona had put on her painting

849
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,760
um jerry and i were dumbfounded when we

850
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,080
first got there we just sat on the couch

851
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,320
looking at each other we both had seen

852
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,480
the picture and we both realized that

853
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:36,000
you know like what in the world are

854
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,360
those

855
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,399
round circles or balls doing on mana's

856
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,919
picture

857
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,799
then

858
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,360
we looked at her and said mona why did

859
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,360
you put those round

860
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:49,840
circles or balls on your picture

861
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,679
and she said she didn't really know that

862
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,080
after her hypnosis session when she sat

863
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,039
down to paint that she didn't know what

864
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,120
she was going to draw

865
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:03,840
until she was actually doing it and she

866
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:07,120
had no idea as to why at that time we

867
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,560
showed her the pictures but there had

868
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:10,960
been no mention that there were any kind

869
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,800
of dots or circles or globes or whatever

870
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:17,119
on these pictures

871
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:18,000
also

872
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,599
that same

873
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,720
night

874
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,960
i happened to be standing in front of

875
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,960
mona's couch

876
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,119
and i must have looked funny because

877
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,760
mona and jerry both asked me if i was

878
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,560
all right it was just a really

879
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,800
extremely weird sensation as i stood

880
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,440
there it felt like electricity was going

881
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,040
all through my body and the only thing i

882
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,960
can remember was thinking i've got to

883
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,520
get off of this spot i don't really know

884
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,520
why i felt like i needed to get off of

885
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,159
that spot except for the feeling of this

886
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,639
electricity like running through my body

887
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,839
and

888
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,720
when i sat back down i was all right but

889
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,150
a very weird sensation that

890
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,200
i can't forget

891
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,160
another incident that happened

892
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,960
was one night i was

893
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,280
sleeping it's right before i divorced my

894
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,680
ex-husband and i was in bed with my

895
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,839
seven-year-old daughter

896
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,280
i remember

897
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,280
that my night habits weren't the same

898
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,200
normally during the night i get up and

899
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,520
use the restroom several times

900
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,599
and a lot of times i would stop and get

901
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,000
a drink a pop or something and get back

902
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,480
into bed i usually have very vivid

903
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:32,240
dreams

904
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,150
and it's only been a couple times since

905
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:40,960
my incident that that i remember going

906
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,640
to bed and everything is just black

907
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,880
and i don't get up during the night to

908
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,520
use the restroom i don't remember having

909
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:51,200
any kind of dream at all it's just a

910
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,720
blackness this particular night

911
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:56,800
when i woke up the next day

912
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,160
i had this really funny feeling like i

913
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,160
haven't been here all night and it

914
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,320
didn't make any sense to me whatsoever

915
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,720
because you know i'm thinking

916
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,119
peggy you're crazy you had to be here

917
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,280
all night you went to bed with your

918
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,520
seven-year-old daughter you woke up in

919
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,000
bed you're like where else would you be

920
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:17,920
and the other thought that was on my

921
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,880
mind as i was waking up

922
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,880
i had two thoughts one i haven't been

923
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:25,760
here all night and the second one was

924
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,800
everybody who's been abducted has a mark

925
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,720
and i don't know what kind of mark the

926
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,280
only thing in my mind is as i kept

927
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,280
thinking of this throughout the day was

928
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,760
possibly like a birthmark or something

929
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,320
but i didn't know what kind of mark in

930
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,200
the meantime jerry had called

931
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,960
and

932
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,960
i told him about

933
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:48,079
this

934
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,599
feeling that i hadn't been home all

935
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,240
night so we talked for a little while

936
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,839
and he hung up

937
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,320
um later that day

938
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,920
jerry was talking to louise

939
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,400
and she asked him she said jerry is

940
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,040
peggy all right and he said yeah i just

941
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,359
talked to her a while ago why

942
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,599
and she says during the night and

943
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,880
somehow i

944
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,240
think that it was like two o'clock in

945
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,599
the morning or something that she had

946
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,079
told him but anyway during the night she

947
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,200
insist that she saw me standing at the

948
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,720
foot of her bed

949
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,960
do i believe it happened i don't know

950
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,800
all i know is that it wasn't my normal

951
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,320
sleep routine

952
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,119
and that louise insist that i was

953
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:34,160
standing at the foot of her bed

954
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,599
probably

955
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:37,200
the

956
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,160
again

957
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,320
involves elaine thomas

958
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,400
i was pregnant with my little girl that

959
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,520
passed away and i received a telephone

960
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,599
call from elaine

961
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,480
during this call elaine told me

962
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,640
it's going to look like i'm dead but

963
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,680
they're coming back to get me

964
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,560
i was very uncomfortable with this call

965
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,720
because over

966
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,800
the period of time i had become very

967
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:10,720
close with these ladies

968
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,119
and it made me sad when she said that

969
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,880
she was going to be dead

970
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,640
so

971
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:19,040
hindsight i wish

972
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,830
that i had questioned her more about it

973
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,040
[Music]

974
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,520
shortly after she said it i changed the

975
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,150
the feeling that i got

976
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,839
when she said it was going to look like

977
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,359
she was dead

978
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,920
i took it to maine that possibly she was

979
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,079
going to be in a car accident that

980
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,400
possibly they would find the car but not

981
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,480
her body

982
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,040
i really had no idea what she meant i

983
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,480
really didn't think it was going to

984
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,599
happen

985
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,680
and i'd give anything

986
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:51,040
if

987
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,750
three months after this phone

988
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,119
conversation

989
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:02,880
elaine was dead

990
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,079
circumstances

991
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,359
outwardly

992
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,119
she was given

993
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,280
every indication of having a massive

994
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:14,720
heart attack

995
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,670
they performed all the

996
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,920
tests that you would when a person's

997
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,760
having a heart attack

998
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,800
all of her tests came back normal

999
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,440
i believe the first time that this

1000
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,119
happened to her i think they kept her in

1001
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,560
the hospital like for a week

1002
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,880
at the end of the week the doctor

1003
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,400
couldn't find anything wrong with her

1004
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,440
heart so

1005
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,960
he sent her home with some nerve

1006
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:44,880
medicine he couldn't figure out you know

1007
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,920
what else was wrong with her

1008
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,160
so elaine was home

1009
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,560
i think roughly a week

1010
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,720
and again all the outward

1011
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,480
symptoms of having a massive heart

1012
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:58,720
attack came on again

1013
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,079
again she was rushed to the hospital

1014
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,480
again she was given the test the test

1015
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,119
came back normal i believe at this time

1016
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,960
she was put

1017
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,800
into

1018
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:13,280
intensive care

1019
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:19,040
had come by to visit her

1020
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,880
and mona told us that elaine told her

1021
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,520
mona it really did happen to us you've

1022
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,599
got to make them believe it really did

1023
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,510
um

1024
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,960
i believe that

1025
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,440
elaine was next moved into a

1026
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,280
semi-private room

1027
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,040
early that day

1028
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,680
elaine vomited something with a

1029
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,480
heavy orally substance to it

1030
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,200
the nurses disposed of it and marked it

1031
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,560
on her chart

1032
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,880
later that day when the doctor came in

1033
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,200
he told us that he asked

1034
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,640
elaine if she had had anything with a

1035
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,599
heavy orally base to it anything like

1036
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:02,079
castor oil mineral oil

1037
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,359
olive oil

1038
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,680
any type of heavy oral

1039
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,000
and elaine told him no

1040
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,520
he told jerry that he had wished

1041
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,119
if he would have known that she was

1042
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,040
going to die that night

1043
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:18,079
that this hadn't been disposed of

1044
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,230
later that day

1045
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:26,480
before elaine passed away

1046
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,599
a ball of light had come into her room

1047
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,160
and this fall light was bouncing around

1048
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,680
the room

1049
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,359
and the other patient that was in the

1050
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,760
room with elaine must have left out a

1051
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,920
hollow or a scream or something because

1052
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,240
it got the nurse's attention

1053
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:44,880
and she told us that she did see

1054
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,720
the ball of light but um while the light

1055
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,200
was there and i guess it was terrifying

1056
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,280
the other patient in the room

1057
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,160
elaine said to her not to worry it's

1058
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,520
just them they've come back for me

1059
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,440
later that same night

1060
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,960
elaine

1061
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,560
left this world

1062
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,280
how she left it we don't really know

1063
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,550
as far as the doctor's concerned

1064
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,800
he don't think that she really

1065
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:16,720
had a heart attack he don't really think

1066
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,079
that she died from a heart condition

1067
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,319
but her husband

1068
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:23,599
and her mother

1069
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,200
didn't allow an autopsy to be performed

1070
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,520
and the doctor said he had to write

1071
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,520
something down on the death certificate

1072
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,400
so he went ahead and wrote heart attack

1073
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,960
but he didn't really feel like it was a

1074
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,880
normal heart attack

1075
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,040
here are two short statements from two

1076
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:44,079
different newspapers concerning elaine's

1077
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:45,040
death

1078
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,440
thomas as many people believe die from a

1079
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,400
heart attack maybe maybe not the doctor

1080
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,800
in somerset where elaine was taken

1081
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,640
for chest pain said he couldn't figure

1082
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,800
it out said her husband he thought at

1083
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,800
first it was a heart attack but later he

1084
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,319
was uncertain

1085
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,319
the pains would come back later causing

1086
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:12,160
otis to remember something he'll never

1087
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,359
forget

1088
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,440
she mentioned sharp pains in her chest

1089
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,680
and said she couldn't breathe he said

1090
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,160
it was the exact same description she

1091
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,920
gave the night she was taken up in the

1092
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,720
ufo i really didn't pay much attention

1093
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,400
to it at the time

1094
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,520
but it

1095
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,280
the description she gave the national

1096
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,839
inquiry under hypnosis described her to

1097
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,839
a t when she complained about her chest

1098
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:34,960
pains

1099
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,839
by me reading that inquirer article it

1100
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:39,920
bought back to me the way she acted the

1101
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,560
night she died it made me think there

1102
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:45,040
could have been something to it

1103
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,240
the second

1104
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,000
newspaper

1105
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,880
statement came from mona

1106
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,119
mona who was with

1107
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,440
elaine during her final days doesn't

1108
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:57,359
believe it was heart trouble that killed

1109
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,319
elaine

1110
00:44:01,270 --> 00:44:00,160
her throat and chest hurt her something

1111
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,280
terrible

1112
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,760
at night she said lights blinding lights

1113
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,160
came at her from all sides and she heard

1114
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,119
the voices of the aliens speaking to her

1115
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:11,760
she told me people are going to say i

1116
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,880
died but that won't be true only my body

1117
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,359
is going to die they're going to take my

1118
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,359
spirit with them

1119
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,440
times when we want to give up

1120
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,000
this is the main case that keeps jerry

1121
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,800
and i struggling to try to find out just

1122
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,200
what is the answer to ufos

1123
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,200
as you know from the other night we both

1124
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,960
have our own

1125
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,720
separate opinions

1126
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,319
i think jerry's starting to lean a

1127
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,079
little bit my way

1128
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,920
but um

1129
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,160
this is the case anytime that you feel

1130
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,440
like you want to just give up and not

1131
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,599
care anymore about

1132
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,560
what ufos are or what it's all about

1133
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,560
you remember this case

1134
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,720
and you feel like you got to keep going

1135
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,720
and you got to keep trying to find out

1136
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,800
what the answer is

1137
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:00,720
one of the last things that i'll say and

1138
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,599
i apologize for talking so long

1139
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,560
is that

1140
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,160
back when i first married jerry i became

1141
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,960
very curious as to why some people had

1142
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,240
very close

1143
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,520
encounters

1144
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,000
and or missing time

1145
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,160
it seemed like there must be some common

1146
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,640
denominator when i first married jerry

1147
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,920
he used to say

1148
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,240
that somebody was in the wrong place at

1149
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,920
the wrong time

1150
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,400
and i just really didn't feel this and i

1151
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,720
keep saying i don't think so jerry i

1152
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,880
think i think that you must be

1153
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:35,040
chosen or picked or whatever

1154
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,319
so um

1155
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,839
and taken

1156
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,079
many many reports over the years along

1157
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,160
with jerry

1158
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,880
and talking to many many people i began

1159
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,119
asking them after i took the report i

1160
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,040
asked me like what were their interests

1161
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:51,839
um did they have any hobbies

1162
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,880
i tried to get a feel of the person

1163
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,440
what i discovered was

1164
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,480
that everybody who had missing time or a

1165
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,560
very close encounter

1166
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,880
at least in all the cases that i talked

1167
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,800
to number one

1168
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,800
they weren't the type of people that

1169
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,640
were real hard-nosed like i'm from

1170
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,720
missouri and you know like i don't

1171
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,800
believe unless you show me or prove it

1172
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,319
to me they weren't doubting thomas's

1173
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,319
they seemed to be sensitive people

1174
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,079
people that were sensitive

1175
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,240
to the things around them

1176
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:24,079
that was one thing

1177
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,200
second

1178
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,560
they all

1179
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,960
everybody that i ever talked to had a

1180
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:31,040
belief in god not to the point of being

1181
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,560
fanatical

1182
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,520
but

1183
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,599
i never talked to anybody who claimed to

1184
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,200
be an atheist

1185
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:39,200
and had

1186
00:47:06,470 --> 00:46:40,000
a

1187
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,480
were

1188
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,640
very accomplished artists

1189
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,400
louise smith also

1190
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,560
wrote poetry when we were there she gave

1191
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,800
us a small booklet excuse me a small

1192
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,440
booklet of poems that she had written

1193
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:18,800
and she also

1194
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,430
you see this

1195
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,599
just over and over in our own ufo

1196
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,200
support group

1197
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,000
were very often surprised by

1198
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,000
one of the members coming and bringing

1199
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,640
either some artwork that they did or an

1200
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,400
elderly gentleman

1201
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,920
who has carved just absolutely fantastic

1202
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,559
canes it's just

1203
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,880
you would never even picture any of

1204
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:48,960
these people

1205
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:52,880
having the ability to do this and yet

1206
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,160
this creative ability just seems to

1207
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,119
come up over and over again i neglected

1208
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,720
to say that when

1209
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:03,359
the ladies had their polygraph test they

1210
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,079
all

1211
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,720
passed the test with flying colors

1212
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,440
jerry said um you might be interested to

1213
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,599
know that the gentleman who gave the

1214
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,000
polygraph test to the women died

1215
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,480
roughly two years later he had a rare

1216
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,000
blood disease he just thought that was

1217
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,520
kind of interesting

1218
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,400
also

1219
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,400
we'd like to let you know that

1220
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,440
we have many many documents including

1221
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,839
louise's car had to be taken to a repair

1222
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,079
shop for

1223
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,000
the electrical system the following days

1224
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,760
but we had in mountain went to the eye

1225
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,520
doctor we have

1226
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,240
copies of the bills for all of their

1227
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,280
things um all kind of documents

1228
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,920
all kind of pictures um some type

1229
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,720
recordings of different things

1230
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,280
all of the hypnosis session we have

1231
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,119
tapes of that

1232
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,720
so i want to

1233
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,640
thank you for listening to this tape and

1234
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,480
i hope that the information helps you